tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4131757.post4169919267096810354..comments2008-03-04T18:49:14.327-06:00Jonathan Versenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17920597011270157903hugozoom@yahoo.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4131757.post-13902568305615221002008-03-04T18:49:00.000-06:002008-03-04T18:49:00.000-06:002008-03-04T18:49:00.000-06:00

Hi Jonathan,Here is Norman Solomon’s take on the failure of the anti-war movement.“If the ultimate argument against the war is that it isn't being won, the advocates for more war will have extra incentive to show that it can be won after all.If a steady argument against the war maintains that it was and is wrong -- that it is fundamentally immoral -- that's a tougher sell to the savants of

rob paynehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16824840608930313691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4131757.post-18648510611759855992008-03-03T23:35:00.000-06:002008-03-03T23:35:00.000-06:002008-03-03T23:35:00.000-06:00

I didn't read it that way because I am familiar with Xymphora's preoccupations. His(?) meaning was clear to me(unless my interpretation is also wrong, of course), and maybe he deals with certain themes more elliptically than I generally allow for, because I'm familiar with his usual themes and I automatically fill in the blanks.(??)Annoyance with people suggesting somebody is a conspiracy-monger

Jonathan Versenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17920597011270157903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4131757.post-87712739492967648072008-03-03T21:42:00.000-06:002008-03-03T21:42:00.000-06:002008-03-03T21:42:00.000-06:00

Jonathan,Your not x’s keeper? Just kidding. I was not trying to imply that you were. The way x phrased his statement it sounded like he was saying that Counterpunch was saying that the anti-war movement was a victim of conspiracy theory. That was not the case when I visited the link, pathetically unclear writing I would say on x’s part. I do agree on the point that getting Dems elected seems to

rob paynehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16824840608930313691noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4131757.post-21657635351060984302008-03-03T17:15:00.000-06:002008-03-03T17:15:00.000-06:002008-03-03T17:15:00.000-06:00

Hi Rob,1st, I am not my xymphora's keeper-- and so while I have no way of knowing if X read the interview, I suspect perhaps he was zeroing in on this part of the exchange, maybe excessively to the point of distortion:Phillion: Is the conspiracy theory movement manageable at all, as it were? Or do such groups continue to pose a barrier to progressive left organizing in the antiwar movement?

Jonathan Versenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17920597011270157903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4131757.post-72249426488038575952008-03-03T16:03:00.000-06:002008-03-03T16:03:00.000-06:002008-03-03T16:03:00.000-06:00

One thing I notice about Counterpunch is that it publishes essays by various people who write opposing views on the same topic often on the same day. Cockburn criticizes Nader and at the same time lets Nader post essays on Counterpunch. I would also point out that the link provided by xymphora was not written by Cockburn but by a Stephen Philion so I find xymphora to be misleading or in error in

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